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I mean, when did all this start?

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It, a lot of the mutilations were close to the river down there.

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Okay.

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Yeah, and in those fields down there and farther down.

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How many cattle did you have on property when it began?

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Probably at that time we had about a hundred cows.

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Okay.

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But we're down quite a bit now.

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And where was the first one found?

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It was right just east of that, east of where I came out of that house there, just in that

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patch right there.

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And that was the very first one that I noticed.

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I really looked at it good because it was right close to the house.

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And that's when it had, well, the eyes were missing, laser cuts on the body.

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How long was it until the second one was found?

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I've been having them for every year.

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Every year?

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Yeah.

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How long you guys been out here?

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They just started in 1996.

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So far I've had 16 of them that I've counted, cows and calves that were mutilated.

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And pretty much one a year for the most part.

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Yeah, pretty more or less.

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And sometimes it'd go a little longer.

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But then we had another one out here in this pasture out here.

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And it was just out in the prairie.

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And there was brush around there and everything.

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And its ribs were broke.

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It didn't just fall over and die because its ribs wouldn't have been broke.

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And so it had to be dropped for quite a ways.

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One time I had two of them, two cows at the same time.

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Right next to each other, essentially?

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Right next to each other.

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And what happened, when I had those two and they were down there in that aroria down there,

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one of them was completely mutilated and the other one was laying right beside it with

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a back broke.

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And it wasn't mutilated.

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Somehow they were able to draw them up to their UFO or whatever.

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And then they do what they do and then they drop them back down.

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These two cows were right together.

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And so when they started picking them up and then as they go up a little higher, it narrows

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down and the one dropped off.

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Colorado.

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Visions of the Old West come to mind.

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Ghost towns and pasture land alongside rugged mountains and endless skies.

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Oh yeah.

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And mines.

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And so I was able to get to the rest of those in this state.

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I'm Shannon Legreau and my search for stories has brought me to the Centennial State.

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I've been curious about the cattle mutilation phenomenon and its connection to the UFO mystery

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for a long time.

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And along with the small town monsters crew and documentarian Seth Breedlove, I've already

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begun to uncover stories that connect strange lights in the sky to mutilated animals on

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To this valley in the heart of Colorado, which also happens to be positioned neatly as the

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heart of the animal mutilation subject, the place where it all began, the San Luis Valley.

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So we just got here.

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Yeah.

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Like honestly, I'm pretty astounded at the varying topography of Colorado.

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I've briefly at one point driven through part of it and it was very mountainous.

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I wasn't expecting all the open valleys and almost a high desert feel similar to Nevada.

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So it reminds me a lot of Utah, which happens to house Skinwalker Ranch.

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Right.

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And a lot of the ranches here also have a lot of the same activity, including cattle

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mutilations and horse mutilations.

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I guess what surprised me about the area is I've always been aware of the rich history

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of like UFO sightings and cattle mutilations.

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I didn't realize there's such a wide range of activity in the area and reported activity.

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And it really reminds me of places we've looked into like the Chestnut Ridge or Skinwalker

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Ranch, like you mentioned.

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I'm excited to see if we can make some connections between all these various phenomena and come

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up with something that correlates the high strangeness in the state.

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When you were mentioning on some of the readings that we were doing before we got here of people

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that think some of the mountains are actually hollow, hollowed out by the government for

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whatever reason.

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At one time, mining was what Colorado was known for.

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I think I looked online and did some research before we came and you're talking like 18,000

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mines around the state at one time.

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So that's an interesting correlation to what we looked into in West Virginia.

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And there is this activity too that seems to emanate from the Earth itself.

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I'm curious to see how many of the people that we're going to interview think it's military

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related or truly off-planet.

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Desire.

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Like, yeah, like some kind of a true ET experience or things coming from another dimension or

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universe planet, whatever.

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My name is Katie Goroski.

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I am the state director for Colorado Mufon and I'm also the administrator for Mufon's

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Mars project.

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USA wide.

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How many UFO reports are there on file?

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Well Colorado averages about 12 a month, so 250 a year-ish.

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So populated states obviously have more reports than less populated states like for example

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Wyoming compared to California, big difference.

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So 10,000 reports, I mean, it just varies year to year.

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Richard, thanks for being here.

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First of all, how long have you been in Colorado and how long have you been looking into specifically

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the UFO?

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Well I've been in Colorado for 22 years, paranormal investigator for 25, 26.

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Investigating the UFO phenomenon since my publisher has asked me to write a book on it

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five years ago.

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Colorado is a state that is defined by its valleys, its mountains, its prairies and there

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are many instances of craft that have been seen or at least reported emerging from mountains,

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whether they're in some cave system, we don't know, some subterranean hiding place.

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Also rising from bodies of water such as lakes.

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Colorado also has a rich history of mining and indeed we have the School of Mines here

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which is very prestigious and is known for its geology, digging into the earth.

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So you personally, when you get a report into MUFON, into your office, how often do you

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actually physically are able to go out and go to location where the sighting happened

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from?

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Interestingly enough that happens less than you might believe it happens.

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A lot of the work MUFON does and our investigators do are on the computer.

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But if a case is good enough and it's active, actively happening, because most times you'll

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just see lights in the sky and by the time you get out there the phenomenon's gone.

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Now we will go on location if it's a repeated event or if they have evidence on the ground

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or if it was a more close encounter we'll go out there and try and do testing and interviews

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face to face.

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So the crafts that appear, they vary throughout.

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A lot of this is strange lights in the sky, the classic, you know, unidentified flying

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light.

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Of course we live in the age of the drone, but then there are these lights that plainly

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are not drones, that behave in ways which you could not control a drone so sensitively,

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that don't seem to obey the laws of physics as we understand them, that will stop dead

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and gain altitude extremely quickly or decelerate and then change course far more quickly than

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a piloted object could.

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Over 80% of my cases are what we call IFOs or identified flying objects, but then we

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have that 15 to 20% that we have no idea what they are and those go in as unknown so

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they can be unknown UAPs, unknown other.

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Generally speaking here in Colorado it's lights rather than craft as such and of course we've

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had a few cases in which genuine man-made objects were mistaken for UFOs.

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Do you get cattle mutilation reports at Moonfong?

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No, I wish we got more than we did.

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We will from time to time, but we don't get them as often and I really believe after the

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interviews I've done out in these small communities and with ranchers, this is a phenomenon that

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has been happening now for decades and a lot of these ranchers they don't want the publicity,

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the stigma and more importantly I think they know that nothing will come of it.

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Like we have been trying to get to the bottom of what's been happening, not only with cattle

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but horse, sheep, other animals, there's even been dogs.

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Right now when we look at the global understanding of the public perception of UFOs, it's become

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a part of the whole zeitgeist, hasn't it, this idea that cows, horses, sheep, cattle

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are kind of either taken up, moved, mutilated by some unseen force.

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One of the stranger things by far and this is a phenomenon that happened throughout the

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60s, 70s, 80s, 90s was very common amongst ranchers throughout the Midwest and still happens

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to this day with no credible explanation.

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And I just want to say I'm not the cattle mutilation expert, I mean that's really Christopher

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O'Brien, that's been their wheelhouse for decades.

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My name is Christopher O'Brien, I've been involved researching and investigating cattle

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mutilation phenomenon for almost 30 years.

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So are there historical texts that you can look at?

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I found the first outbreak that's documented but I found in 1605 right after James I got

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in as king and in the court records there's a very interesting quote in there and it's

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Lately here about strange deaths, 101 cases, less than others, strange sheep were found

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missing parts, the tallow and wool left behind.

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So the first indication that we have of waves of mutilation is the earliest that I can find

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is 1605 in England.

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This became such a widespread thing, you have researchers like Linda Moulton-Howe whose

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project is Strange Harvest I believe it was looked at this in depth but this is something

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that's now been with us for decades.

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Ranchers still experience this to this day, usually in isolated places that are in the

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middle of nowhere.

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So it's not something you're going to see in downtown Denver but if you live way out

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in the middle of the boonies it's certainly a concern and it certainly happens.

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Colorado is a mysterious place especially once you travel out of the hub that is Denver.

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There exists a stark division between the cities and the wilderness here yet both boast

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their own unique history of unexplained occurrences.

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The pasture lands of the eastern section of the state give way to arid desert to the south

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and rugged mountains to the west.

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No single place looks the same as any other.

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In the backwoods, grassy prairies and rugged wilds encounters with lights in the sky are

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commonplace.

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Crafters seen as frequently as the planes that fly into and out of Denver International

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Airport and nearly everyone has their own story about a brush with the bazaar.

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Colorado is home to numerous military bases and this fact has helped propel the strange

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sightings.

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To be certain, a fair number of the objects or lights seen overhead here probably have

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mundane explanations but that hasn't stopped stories from spreading of military installations

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which possess a far darker modus operandi.

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Out here everyone encounters something, even law enforcement.

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So I spent eight years in the United States Army.

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I served in Afghanistan almost a decade ago and then after that I went into law enforcement

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here in the Denver metro area.

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So I've worked for two different agencies, one up in the northern part of the metro area

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that was sort of along the foothills and then I worked for another agency that was south

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of Denver and that sort of boarded the prairie, the plains, east of the I-25 corridor.

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So during that time I was a field training officer, I trained new officers straight out

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of the academy and I was also a trained FBI certified crime scene investigator.

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Colorado is a, it's very saturated as you guys have seen with military, with government.

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The Fed Center out in Lakewood is actually the largest concentration of government employees

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west of the Mississippi.

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We've got Buckley Space Force Base, we've got Norah down to the south.

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Colorado also has no shortage of course of military installations.

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Cheyenne Mountain out of which NORAD was run for the longest time is one of the most secure

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facilities in the world designed famously to withstand a hit from a thermonuclear weapon.

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We also have Buckley Air Force Base which again is very close to where we film now in

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the city of Aurora.

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Buckley Air Force Base is where Space Command operated from.

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The Space Command was responsible for tracking objects in orbit and the US military's eyes

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in the sky above the atmosphere.

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And if you study the UFO phenomenon globally throughout the world, whether we're looking

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at the Soviet Union, China, Europe, the UK, there are countless instances of UFOs being

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drawn to military facilities.

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And generally speaking, the more top secret the facility is, the more attention they tend

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to attract from UFOs.

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So there's always weird stuff, you always hear weird things and so I experienced a couple

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of those when I was in law enforcement.

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I had a few calls in my career both on the north side of the metro area and then down

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south more closer to the plains of the prairie.

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This probably happened about three or four times in my six years on the road where we'd

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get a call from somebody saying, hey, I'm in my backyard, I see some lights moving in

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the sky, they're moving really weird, they look like discs, now they look like a rectangle

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they're kind of zipping around, it doesn't make sense can somebody come by.

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You sort of take those things with a grain of salt, but the fact that they kept happening

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three or four times and it was always very similar descriptions.

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It was always these lights are a disc, now there's three of them and now they're a rectangle.

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That was always kind of the pattern that I'd heard and it was weird that it happened both

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when I worked up north and then a few years later when I was down south.

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So the incident that really caught my attention when I was down south was I was driving on

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the highway one night on I-25 taking somebody down to jail and I'm coming back and it's

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about three or four in the morning and so nothing's going on and it's pitch black dark

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in this corridor of the highway.

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And again, I got another call saying, hey, this call is coming in, we're getting weird

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reports of lights out east of the highway.

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In this particular area out east, there's really nothing, but it was just really strange

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to get those light reports again and I was kind of at a spot on the highway where it

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kind of descends down a hill so I kind of have a view of the area.

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I can kind of see like what they're talking about and I keep hearing the radio chatter

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from one of our sister agencies, hey, I'm in the area, we're checking it and dispatch has

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given us notes saying, hey, the RP, the reporting person is saying that they still see it, it's

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right above their yard.

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I'm on the highway with a vantage point of this area.

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One of my buddies from another agency from our county sheriff's, he's in the neighborhood,

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but the reporting party is giving this description that I had now heard two, three, four times

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in my law enforcement career, working two different parts of the Denver Metro agency,

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two completely different agencies, two completely different dispatch areas, one along the foothills,

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one out closer to the prairie and it just, the fact that they synced up like that just

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kind of stuck with me like that's weird.

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Weird things happen in the Colorado mountains, especially in the foothills of the Denver

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Metro area, anywhere between Denver and maybe the first half hour to an hour into the Rockies

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where you have a high saturation of the population.

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There's just weird stuff that comes out of there all the time.

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Encounters with the unusual in this state run the gamut from simple observations of strange

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lights to full on craft sightings.

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But while the abduction phenomenon might have come into its own on the east coast with the

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Betty and Barney Hill incident, Colorado's history of missing time reports and abduction

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cases is as old as New Hampshire's.

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This is where the UFO game takes a nasty turn.

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Abductions and cattle mutilations throw a wrench into the works for those of us who want to

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see the subject return to its once hopeful roots.

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To ignore the nastier side of the topic is to ignore the truth.

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The truth is, out here, abductions are a big part of what goes on.

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And those abductions come with lingering effects for the witnesses that can traumatize them

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for years after the incidents, sometimes even for the rest of their lives.

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The most common of those effects?

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The feeling you're being watched at all hours of the day and night.

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The most interesting abduction case I researched was with a gentleman who sadly now passed

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away last year.

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He asked me to give him the pseudonym of Al.

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And Al was a respected paramedic, so a very knowledgeable medical provider.

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And he spoke very frankly to me about this.

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He claimed he'd been abducted many, many times since he was a boy.

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And what was interesting to me was that he didn't seek any kind of publicist heel fame.

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There was nothing in it for him to tell me this story.

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When he heard that I was researching UFOs, he spoke to me and he said he would like

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to tell me this story in confidence and I could share it as long as I kept his identity secret.

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He talked about the fact that he was taken quite frequently, said that he had been engaged

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against his will in a breeding program with extraterrestrials and that they had done

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this to him throughout his entire life.

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And it was something that he found both exhilarating and terrifying in equal measure.

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Is this one of those situations where he's taken however many years or days or weeks or

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months later and he actually feels like he's met one of his, quote unquote, hybrid children?

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Yes, it is exactly one of those situations.

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And these stories sound like the plot of a science fiction novel.

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I don't know what I believe, but he certainly believed it.

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He was 100% sincere in this and he believed it until his dying day.

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A lot of our, you know, experiencer or abductee reports that we get in, let's say somebody

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has, you know, an entity in their bedroom or something.

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The investigator will initially make contact with the witness, do a preliminary interview,

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gather the data and information, and then Mufon has what they call an ERT team or an

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experience of research team.

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And oftentimes we'll hook those types of cases up with that team of people because they're

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more qualified.

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They're psychologists, sociologists and all that.

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Those would kind of pass off to that ERT team, which was headed up by Kathleen Martin, who

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was Betty and Barney Hills niece.

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She has since passed the torch on.

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That's what we do with those cases.

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But you've said you've never told the story.

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Just to my wife.

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Yeah.

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So when did this happen, Watson?

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Where were you when this happened?

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Just walk us through and start at whatever point?

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August 2019.

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Sleeping in my own room because my kid was still breastfeeding.

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And it's kind of hard for two people in a two and a half year old to sleep in a pad together.

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I was sleeping and I just thought I was dreaming.

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It kept hearing, you know, we came back for you.

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It's like whisper.

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You know, softwares, you know, came back for you.

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You know, kind of woke up, went back to sleep.

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And I just remember hearing it again and just at, you know, started to wake up and it was

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just like really bright like police spotlight.

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And it just kept getting brighter and brighter.

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You know, try to go back to sleep and just ignore it and keep hearing that, you know,

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it came back for you.

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It came back for you.

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And I was like, go see what's going on.

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So I go out through the, like the bathroom, there's a little back deck and it's just getting

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brighter and brighter.

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I'm just like looking up and you know, can't see what it is.

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It's just light.

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And like maybe if I get closer, walk down the steps to like in between the two houses,

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and I'm just looking up and it's just like it's, you know, not planning, but bright enough.

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I just froze.

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You know, don't remember thinking anything, doing anything.

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It's just how the last time I was just standing there, like looking up.

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You hear a lot in cases like this where missing time, right?

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Do you feel like when you walked out and you know, you're kind of trying to find the source

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of light and you're looking up at it?

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Do you know for a fact that it was mere moments before you dove into bed or you looked at a

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clock at any point in time?

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I didn't, but when the sun came up, it definitely, I was out there for a while.

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You know, I believe 45 minutes.

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I didn't knew I was standing out there, but it was like I was paralyzed.

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You know, just, and at some point I just unfroze.

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Like I still, I still can't even feel my body, but I just, you know, ran door, other door,

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literally dove into my bed.

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It was like, maybe if I put the blanket over my head, just close my eyes, go back to sleep.

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You know, it's nothing.

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You know, I hear that it's just getting brighter and brighter.

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You know, like the white blanket I have, you know, work up in back for you and the light

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just got super bright and I was just closed my eyes and was just like, you know, just

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go to sleep, just go to sleep.

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And it just started getting dimmer and then all of a sudden it was down there, it's pitch black.

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It's, you know, they got the dark sky right there.

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And it was this pitch black, dead silent and I just lay under my blanket.

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Any other strange things in the house happened after that or before that, now that you think about it?

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Before that, just once as a kid.

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Same light, just not as big.

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It was the same light, just not as big?

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Yeah, just bright.

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You know, they were saying, well, we're back.

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They came back.

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You know, I think what stands out for me just in general when it comes to that topic are

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the ones that whatever the phenomenon is, whatever these experiences are, seem to follow

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some sort of pattern of like when initial contact is made, typically early on in childhood.

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And then it seems like in the teen years, the experiences get more intense where maybe

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there is an abduction or beans in the room or whatever.

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And it seems to be during those puberty teenage years.

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I don't know if you're just opening yourself up to more things at that time.

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Then things seem to really quiet down for a while and then you'll hear back from these

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experiencers and abductees like midlife.

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So it's kind of interesting how the pattern falls on these cases.

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A lot of people have seen it.

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A lot of you see a lot of different lights, different things.

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You know, not saying they're aliens, but it's not normal.

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You know, it happens, we feel like, you know, you turn around and feel like something's there,

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you know, you know, got in the woods at the house.

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You know, I get that occasionally, you know, at different places.

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Most of the time I was away for days and felt like there was something there.

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This concept of high strangeness intruding on everyday life, those that are experiencing

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the abduction phenomenon more so than the contactee phenomenon will often report this

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feeling that they're being watched by unseen eyes, that there are people there that they cannot see,

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or that they are seeing people who nobody else can see.

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I've heard accounts of these people driving through the middle of town and are being pursued

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by people moving impossibly quickly as if they are flying through the air themselves,

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but nobody else can see.

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And it's very tempting to just describe this all to being a hallucination, but these cases

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are very, very well documented.

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Lights in the sky, no matter how close the encounter may be, are part and parcel for

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the UFO subject, but there's much more to Colorado's involvement in the UAP game,

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and some of it pushes the boundaries of what we understand about all of this.

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Some of it harkens back to some previous spots we've visited while searching for answers,

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places like the Chestnut Ridge, or Skinwalker Ranch.

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The high strangeness factor in Colorado is strong, and it's something that can be found

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and can't be ignored as we begin to shift our gaze away from the smoggy city limits

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of Denver and the surrounding suburbs, and into the prairies that sit in the shadows

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of the Rockies.

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Here, in the forested hills and valleys at the base of one of the most well-known mountain

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chains in the United States, sit ranches and ranch land that seem to act as a magnet for

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the bazaar.

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It's here where we got our first hint as to just how unusual the activity in this part

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of the country can become.

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Katie herself became interested in unusual phenomena due to having her own brushes with

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the bazaar at a ranch owned by her family known for having high strangeness activity.

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Years later, Katie threw extensive research and investigative work of her own, along with

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help from Mufon, would uncover documentation that verified the activity taking place at

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the ranch.

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Perhaps most shockingly, she also discovered that not only were numerous UFO researchers

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involved in investigations there, but that the U.S. government was called in as well.

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What got you interested in the subject?

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Years ago, I experienced some very high strangeness activity out around in Elbert County, Colorado.

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I didn't know at the time it was even reported or anybody knew anything about it because

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we were threatened and warned really never to talk about it.

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I've been collecting documents on that and people involved and everything, which also

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was mind blowing to me that, wow, why are all these people out on the property investing

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in PhDs and geologists and, you know, wow, I thought nobody knew about it but us.

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So just to know this was being researched was like crazy information in the first place.

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What happened?

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My parents divorced in 1973.

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I think it was late 1974, early 1975.

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My mom meets a gentleman at work.

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He's getting a divorce from his wife.

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His wife has a new love interest, so they had three sons.

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So they bought the ranch property out in Elbert County.

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We would take the boys back and forth to the ranch to spend time with their mom.

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And you know, I'm only nine to 12 years old.

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I'm a young girl at this time.

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So it was like you'd hear the adults talking about police being called and cattle being

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killed and, you know, UFOs being sighted and lights in the sky and Sasquatch creatures

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and banging on the house and paranormal activity, all of these crazy things.

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It was a really scary, eerie time.

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They had rewards out trying to figure out who's mutilating these cattle.

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People had loaded shotguns by their door.

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You didn't go up to anybody's door at night without letting them know you're coming because

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they were actively looking for who was doing this.

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One of the experiences was it was a Colorado day and anybody who lives in Colorado knows

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In the springtime, you still get snow.

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The snow gets really wet and heavy, you know, but the sun's still shining and it's nice.

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So my sister and I were out there on the ranch just tossing the Frisbee back and forth.

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And we looked down and we noticed that we're standing in this dry dirt where nothing grew.

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And we're like, well, that's really weird because over here it's like wet, heavy snow.

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But here's dry.

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It wasn't even wet dirt.

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It was dry.

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And then to get the briefing document all the years later and to see that they are talking

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about that in these reports at the time.

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And they actually measured the circle.

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It was 35 feet in diameter around.

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What was the absolute, if you could just pin down one thing, it's probably a little difficult.

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Whether it was something that you feel maybe follows you from the ranch to your home or

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something that haven't on the ranch.

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What was the absolute strangest?

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The absolute strangest night for me.

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We were out there with the boys.

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I believe it must have been the boys' mother's birthday or something.

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So all the adults are in this little room, not about the size of this room, playing games.

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We were in the boys' room.

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Just the three boys, my sister and I, just being teenagers and kids.

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And I was the youngest of them.

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And all of a sudden the humming noise starts up.

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And sometimes that humming sound would get so loud you couldn't even hear yourselves talk

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over it.

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And like, okay, and everybody's like, what the heck?

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Then all of a sudden power goes out in the house.

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Big, the brightest light I've ever seen in my life.

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Brighter than the sun through the window.

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That's when that disembodied voice, because all the powers out of the house comes through.

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And the only reason I know what it said, I have memories of it being terrifying, but

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I didn't know.

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I knew it was a warning to not talk about it, because we were threatened not to talk about

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it.

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But, and it basically in a nutshell said, you know, we have allowed you to remain.

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We have interfered with your lives very little.

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Your friends will be warned not to talk about us.

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It felt ominous.

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It felt evil.

458
00:35:53,660 --> 00:35:55,160
It felt bad.

459
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,900
But that night after that, when we got home, I don't remember, like in my mind, I don't

460
00:35:59,900 --> 00:36:05,220
remember like how we left, but I know when we got home, I got into the front door just

461
00:36:05,220 --> 00:36:08,820
inside the door in the living room and I was on the floor.

462
00:36:08,820 --> 00:36:10,900
And I went paralyzed that night.

463
00:36:10,900 --> 00:36:13,220
And my mom and my sister are going, Katie, what's wrong with you?

464
00:36:13,220 --> 00:36:14,220
What's wrong with you?

465
00:36:14,220 --> 00:36:15,220
What did you eat?

466
00:36:15,220 --> 00:36:16,220
What did you eat?

467
00:36:16,220 --> 00:36:17,380
And I couldn't talk.

468
00:36:17,380 --> 00:36:20,980
I just remember like that lasting, I don't know, five or 10 minutes.

469
00:36:21,340 --> 00:36:23,220
But yeah, that was the most terrifying night.

470
00:36:23,220 --> 00:36:25,220
That was, yeah.

471
00:36:25,220 --> 00:36:27,420
What light, what did the light actually look like?

472
00:36:27,420 --> 00:36:32,220
It looked like the brightest white light, like those lights, times a hundred.

473
00:36:32,220 --> 00:36:35,620
We get chills very often when we do these things.

474
00:36:35,620 --> 00:36:42,060
But we last night talked to a guy named Mark and he has the almost literal exact same description.

475
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:45,660
And the voices, the light.

476
00:36:45,660 --> 00:36:47,820
And there was a voice.

477
00:36:47,820 --> 00:36:48,820
Oh, that gives me chills.

478
00:36:48,820 --> 00:36:49,820
And he was paralyzed.

479
00:36:49,820 --> 00:36:50,820
And he was paralyzed.

480
00:36:50,820 --> 00:36:51,820
And he was lost.

481
00:36:51,820 --> 00:36:54,820
Oh, I need to talk to him.

482
00:37:00,820 --> 00:37:06,820
Another time I was with the younger boys in the back of the pickup truck with their dog.

483
00:37:06,820 --> 00:37:10,220
There's ponderosa pines behind the ranch house.

484
00:37:10,220 --> 00:37:13,500
And we were just driving around the back of the ranch property.

485
00:37:13,500 --> 00:37:15,420
We stopped at this little outbuilding.

486
00:37:15,420 --> 00:37:16,420
We get out of the truck.

487
00:37:16,420 --> 00:37:20,260
I don't know what the adults were doing, but I just remember this humming noise starting

488
00:37:20,260 --> 00:37:23,060
up, you know, this low humming noise.

489
00:37:23,060 --> 00:37:26,620
And all of a sudden I hear the box, the box, the box.

490
00:37:26,620 --> 00:37:27,860
And I'm, what?

491
00:37:27,860 --> 00:37:32,140
And you look into the trees and there was this box and it was lit.

492
00:37:32,140 --> 00:37:35,100
And it was, and they were like, get in the truck, get in the truck.

493
00:37:35,100 --> 00:37:38,060
And then boom, that box was gone.

494
00:37:38,060 --> 00:37:39,180
Disappeared.

495
00:37:39,180 --> 00:37:43,140
And so I'm like, I'm not going to talk about this because that kind of sounds like what?

496
00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:48,260
But then later to find out in the report, the undershare of Bill Wall witnessed this

497
00:37:48,260 --> 00:37:49,340
disappearing box.

498
00:37:49,340 --> 00:37:52,940
Not only did he say he saw the box disappear, but he said the tree next to it seemed like

499
00:37:52,940 --> 00:37:54,780
they went into the ground.

500
00:37:54,780 --> 00:37:58,900
This strange box was just seen at Skinwalker Ranch.

501
00:37:58,900 --> 00:38:02,260
That disappeared, they have that.

502
00:38:02,260 --> 00:38:06,780
There has to be commonalities between these high strangeness locations.

503
00:38:06,780 --> 00:38:08,260
What is a commonalities?

504
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:09,860
Because they're all highly magnetic.

505
00:38:09,860 --> 00:38:13,380
I mean, that I know off the geological maps.

506
00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:18,060
They ping the charts as being highly magnetic locations.

507
00:38:18,060 --> 00:38:23,740
The ranch where Katie experienced years of bizarre activity might just be a microcosm

508
00:38:23,740 --> 00:38:28,780
for the entirety of one of the weirdest places in the state of Colorado.

509
00:38:28,780 --> 00:38:33,580
The San Luis Valley of southern Colorado is a stark contrast.

510
00:38:33,580 --> 00:38:40,460
The valley is ringed by the San Juan Mountains and runs nearly 122 miles down into the state

511
00:38:40,460 --> 00:38:42,180
of New Mexico.

512
00:38:42,180 --> 00:38:46,660
And it's here where some of the weirdest activity in the United States occurs.

513
00:38:46,660 --> 00:38:50,940
We're not just talking about strange lights in the sky or even actual craft scene in

514
00:38:50,940 --> 00:38:52,460
fleeting glimpses.

515
00:38:52,460 --> 00:38:53,460
No.

516
00:38:53,460 --> 00:38:57,740
We're talking about the kind of activity that really stretches the boundaries of what

517
00:38:57,740 --> 00:39:12,460
we term as high strangeness.

518
00:39:12,460 --> 00:39:16,340
It's here where the cattle mutilation phenomenon was born.

519
00:39:16,340 --> 00:39:18,940
It's one of the most amazing places in North America.

520
00:39:18,940 --> 00:39:21,900
It's the world's largest alpine valley.

521
00:39:21,900 --> 00:39:25,620
It's about 10,000 square miles.

522
00:39:25,620 --> 00:39:27,660
It's about 140 miles long.

523
00:39:27,660 --> 00:39:33,060
The San Luis Valley portion is the part in Colorado, but the tip of the valley is in

524
00:39:33,060 --> 00:39:35,500
New Mexico and goes down to Taos.

525
00:39:35,500 --> 00:39:38,220
It's a spooky place.

526
00:39:38,220 --> 00:39:43,920
The variety and intensity of unusual phenomena there and the reports is unrivaled anywhere

527
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,100
in the country.

528
00:39:46,100 --> 00:39:52,500
Everything from big, huge, giant thunderbirds, big foot elementals.

529
00:39:52,500 --> 00:39:57,340
And there's a lot of occult practices going on too in the area.

530
00:39:57,340 --> 00:40:02,220
Lots of coup d'endera, healers, lots of brujos and brujas.

531
00:40:02,220 --> 00:40:07,140
Quite a number of times I would get calls, people reporting weird balls of light that

532
00:40:07,140 --> 00:40:10,260
fly across the desert and they'd report them as witches.

533
00:40:10,260 --> 00:40:12,100
Anybody else would say, oh, it was a UFO.

534
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:16,900
But no, they believe that when witches are in a hurry, they can turn into balls of light

535
00:40:16,900 --> 00:40:18,620
and shoot off.

536
00:40:18,620 --> 00:40:23,740
If a UFO hovers, they call all their relatives so that they can triangulate where it's hovering

537
00:40:23,740 --> 00:40:25,420
because there's treasure underneath.

538
00:40:25,980 --> 00:40:34,940
It's a pretty interesting place with its own unique set of folklore and legends.

539
00:40:34,940 --> 00:40:39,740
The San Luis Valley down south where you get a host of UFO activity.

540
00:40:39,740 --> 00:40:45,340
We have the original horse mutilation story, livestock mutilation in the form of Snippy

541
00:40:45,340 --> 00:40:46,340
or Lady.

542
00:40:46,340 --> 00:40:49,700
We have the UFO watchtower, of course, which is pretty unique.

543
00:40:55,420 --> 00:41:23,060
I just give them and say we need a UFO watchtower because of the stories.

544
00:41:23,060 --> 00:41:25,300
And had you already had sightings at that point?

545
00:41:26,180 --> 00:41:28,900
I believe there was something else up there.

546
00:41:28,900 --> 00:41:31,940
I watched X-Files a lot.

547
00:41:31,940 --> 00:41:36,100
I struggled with the livestock for four and a half years because they don't eat sand

548
00:41:36,100 --> 00:41:37,740
real well.

549
00:41:37,740 --> 00:41:39,220
And I had to sell the herd.

550
00:41:39,220 --> 00:41:41,380
I couldn't feed them anymore.

551
00:41:41,380 --> 00:41:45,900
And I was working up at the gas station in Hooper and one of the farmers was in one day

552
00:41:45,900 --> 00:41:53,100
and he said, you know, you need to put up that UFO watchtower you giggled about.

553
00:41:53,100 --> 00:41:54,100
You'd have fun.

554
00:41:54,100 --> 00:42:00,500
It was going to be a little old mom and pop business, pull the tourist traffic off the

555
00:42:00,500 --> 00:42:01,500
highway.

556
00:42:01,500 --> 00:42:04,660
I mean, that's what I had in my head.

557
00:42:04,660 --> 00:42:10,900
And from the time that we opened, we started having sightings here.

558
00:42:10,900 --> 00:42:12,700
When I first moved here, I don't know why.

559
00:42:12,700 --> 00:42:17,500
I just felt this need to research this place and just read as much as I could about this

560
00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:18,500
place.

561
00:42:18,500 --> 00:42:19,580
And I didn't know why I felt that way.

562
00:42:19,580 --> 00:42:21,540
I just felt that way.

563
00:42:21,540 --> 00:42:27,140
Which now I kind of look back at it as I was preparing for working here.

564
00:42:27,140 --> 00:42:29,380
Now do you have personal sightings?

565
00:42:29,380 --> 00:42:32,740
So once I did start hanging out here and when you're sitting here looking at the sky pretty

566
00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:34,860
much all day long, you're going to see things.

567
00:42:34,860 --> 00:42:39,180
And I use the term sighting as like an umbrella.

568
00:42:39,180 --> 00:42:40,820
It's not an accurate term.

569
00:42:40,820 --> 00:42:44,020
I think Judy has it right with UFO experience.

570
00:42:44,020 --> 00:42:48,540
I think that kind of touches on it more because I've seen things, I've felt things, I've heard

571
00:42:48,540 --> 00:42:50,060
things.

572
00:42:50,260 --> 00:42:53,700
Sometimes things have nothing to do with the sky.

573
00:42:53,700 --> 00:42:57,980
I've witnessed, along with people that were here in the middle of the afternoon watching

574
00:42:57,980 --> 00:43:04,180
it too, black helicopters disappearing into the side of the mountains.

575
00:43:04,180 --> 00:43:11,340
I feel like there's absolutely tunnels through here.

576
00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:13,500
What do you think is down there?

577
00:43:13,500 --> 00:43:15,820
A lot of military, I would bet.

578
00:43:15,820 --> 00:43:16,820
A lot of military.

579
00:43:16,820 --> 00:43:20,500
And probably a lot of stuff they don't want us to know because otherwise they wouldn't

580
00:43:20,500 --> 00:43:21,620
put it in the ground.

581
00:43:29,260 --> 00:43:36,340
We've had 282 sightings documented once from just here.

582
00:43:36,340 --> 00:43:38,780
And they're in the book, in the shop.

583
00:43:38,780 --> 00:43:44,820
They have had documented sightings in this valley since the 1500s.

584
00:43:44,820 --> 00:43:51,620
They have estimated 10 to 15,000 mutilations in this valley in northern New Mexico since

585
00:43:51,620 --> 00:43:52,620
the 60s.

586
00:43:52,620 --> 00:43:57,900
What do you think it is about this area that makes it attractive for whatever's coming

587
00:43:57,900 --> 00:43:58,900
in?

588
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:01,900
Native Americans considered the valley floor sacred.

589
00:44:01,900 --> 00:44:03,940
They wouldn't fight on the valley floor.

590
00:44:03,940 --> 00:44:07,780
They'd have their peace talks on the valley floor.

591
00:44:07,780 --> 00:44:09,540
Others say it's the vastness.

592
00:44:09,540 --> 00:44:12,980
It's so large and not highly populated.

593
00:44:12,980 --> 00:44:17,860
Some say that there's an extraterrestrial base in Mount Blanca over here.

594
00:44:17,860 --> 00:44:20,660
Could be lots of activity over there.

595
00:44:27,380 --> 00:44:29,740
Would you mind starting from the beginning?

596
00:44:29,740 --> 00:44:30,740
Sure.

597
00:44:30,740 --> 00:44:34,060
And also, how long have you lived out here?

598
00:44:34,060 --> 00:44:36,820
We've lived out here for about four years.

599
00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:39,300
We moved out here in the spring.

600
00:44:39,300 --> 00:44:44,260
This mountain range is part of the Soundgraded Christos.

601
00:44:44,260 --> 00:44:48,260
That particular morning I was just sitting out on our deck and as you can see I loved

602
00:44:48,260 --> 00:44:50,020
to draw and paint.

603
00:44:50,020 --> 00:44:53,460
And I had taken my things outside and I was sitting on the deck.

604
00:44:53,460 --> 00:44:54,460
Beautiful morning.

605
00:44:54,460 --> 00:44:58,540
And when you live out here you notice movement around you.

606
00:44:58,540 --> 00:45:07,940
And I saw something up above me and I thought, what in the world is that?

607
00:45:07,940 --> 00:45:13,740
And this thing made no sound whatsoever.

608
00:45:13,740 --> 00:45:21,060
And it just rose up slowly and it was perfectly clear.

609
00:45:21,060 --> 00:45:26,260
I mean there was no metal on it at all.

610
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:30,380
It just appeared to be perfectly elliptical shaped.

611
00:45:30,380 --> 00:45:33,980
And then it started to move over the tops of the mountains.

612
00:45:33,980 --> 00:45:37,620
Then it started to take off over the valley.

613
00:45:37,620 --> 00:45:42,060
And then when it got to the edge of the house, you know where the roof line obscured my view,

614
00:45:42,060 --> 00:45:43,700
then I couldn't see it anymore.

615
00:45:43,700 --> 00:45:47,660
So I just assumed that it headed out in that direction over the valley and I couldn't see

616
00:45:47,660 --> 00:45:48,660
it anymore.

617
00:45:48,660 --> 00:45:50,660
Is it frighten you?

618
00:45:50,660 --> 00:45:51,660
No.

619
00:45:51,660 --> 00:45:52,660
No.

620
00:45:52,660 --> 00:45:53,660
Not at all.

621
00:45:53,660 --> 00:46:00,060
I sort of expected it to just, you know, zip off or zoom off or make a sound or I wondered

622
00:46:00,060 --> 00:46:05,340
what it was going to do.

623
00:46:05,340 --> 00:46:09,220
Do you think it's ours or do you think it's something else?

624
00:46:09,220 --> 00:46:10,900
I can't imagine really.

625
00:46:10,900 --> 00:46:17,380
I've thought a lot about it and I'm standing there at my kitchen sink because that view

626
00:46:17,380 --> 00:46:18,380
is right there.

627
00:46:18,380 --> 00:46:25,100
So I look up there a lot to see maybe if it's come back or if I'll see something else and

628
00:46:25,100 --> 00:46:33,100
maybe I'll have another chance to see it and try to analyze it again.

629
00:46:33,100 --> 00:46:51,180
But I just can't even imagine.

630
00:46:51,180 --> 00:46:56,380
Cattle mutilations have been part of the public consciousness and tied so tightly to the UFO

631
00:46:56,380 --> 00:47:02,260
phenomenon for so long that most don't actually know about the history of the topic.

632
00:47:02,260 --> 00:47:08,180
In the 1970s and 80s, authors like Linda Moulton-Howe and journalists like George Knapp

633
00:47:08,180 --> 00:47:13,460
popularized the subject through their books and various television and radio appearances,

634
00:47:13,460 --> 00:47:18,980
but even before then, ranchers were discovering mutilated animals on their farms and ranches

635
00:47:18,980 --> 00:47:21,180
across the United States.

636
00:47:21,180 --> 00:47:27,100
Fittingly, the first known cattle mutilation case originates right here in the San Luis

637
00:47:27,100 --> 00:47:31,020
Valley and it wasn't a bovine at all.

638
00:47:31,020 --> 00:47:33,380
It was a horse named Lady.

639
00:47:33,380 --> 00:47:39,220
The first place that happened was in Southern Colorado and it was a horse named Lady who

640
00:47:39,220 --> 00:47:44,420
came to be known as Snippy, was missing for about a day and was found in a very unusual

641
00:47:44,420 --> 00:47:46,180
situation.

642
00:47:46,180 --> 00:47:51,660
There were a series of round indentations in the ground near the horse's body.

643
00:47:51,660 --> 00:47:58,620
There was a very strange viscous substance on one of the bushes near the remains and perhaps

644
00:47:58,620 --> 00:48:04,660
most interesting of all, the state of this poor animal, much of the tissue from her skull

645
00:48:04,660 --> 00:48:07,780
and neck had been excised was gone.

646
00:48:07,780 --> 00:48:15,020
When I was 10 years old, I was with my mom shopping at a safeway and I saw the inquire

647
00:48:15,020 --> 00:48:20,100
and it had this flying saucer that killed my horse and it was a headline and there was

648
00:48:20,100 --> 00:48:24,420
a picture of this horse that had all the flesh and tissue and muscle and hide and everything

649
00:48:24,420 --> 00:48:29,620
just vacuum cleaner withers from the neck to the tip of its nose.

650
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:36,940
The first documented livestock mutilation was Snippy the horse and I have her here

651
00:48:36,940 --> 00:48:41,620
and I will take you over and let you see her and it's quite the story.

652
00:48:41,620 --> 00:48:44,260
It still hasn't been solved.

653
00:48:44,260 --> 00:48:47,620
The ground where she was was radioactive.

654
00:48:47,620 --> 00:48:50,060
There was some slimy stuff on the bush.

655
00:48:50,060 --> 00:48:53,060
Their hands would burn.

656
00:48:53,060 --> 00:49:00,380
The L said that his hand itched so bad he had to go wash his hands to get whatever it was off.

657
00:49:00,380 --> 00:49:08,100
It happened on the King Ranch over here and they attributed it to alien UFOs.

658
00:49:08,100 --> 00:49:15,460
I had one of the relatives from the King family call me two weeks ago and she said,

659
00:49:15,460 --> 00:49:20,900
I heard that you've got Snippy and I said, yes, I have Snippy.

660
00:49:20,900 --> 00:49:26,020
And she said, well, you realize Judy, it was UFO related.

661
00:49:26,020 --> 00:49:31,020
It was a UFO that did that.

662
00:49:31,020 --> 00:49:35,500
So Judy, can you describe when they first found Snippy since we're standing here with

663
00:49:35,500 --> 00:49:36,500
him?

664
00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:39,180
Yeah, all the hide, meat, everything.

665
00:49:39,180 --> 00:49:42,260
The only thing that was exposed was the bones.

666
00:49:42,260 --> 00:49:46,180
It was all bare from here to the tip of her nose.

667
00:49:46,180 --> 00:49:54,980
I had a young man in and when he was a teenager, he was there when they took the hide off this area.

668
00:49:54,980 --> 00:49:59,660
And he said, taking the hide off, he said nothing was there.

669
00:49:59,660 --> 00:50:07,900
All of the internal organs were gone and they cut into the skull up there to get the brain

670
00:50:07,900 --> 00:50:10,500
and no brain.

671
00:50:10,660 --> 00:50:17,780
So from what I understand, the area where she was was radioactive.

672
00:50:17,780 --> 00:50:18,980
What about Snippy herself?

673
00:50:18,980 --> 00:50:21,340
Was she also very radioactive?

674
00:50:21,340 --> 00:50:24,580
Yeah, all around where she was.

675
00:50:24,580 --> 00:50:30,580
And then they said that there were some about 100 yards or 100 feet from where they found

676
00:50:30,580 --> 00:50:33,940
her, there were holes in the ground.

677
00:50:33,940 --> 00:50:37,780
They think that that's where a spaceship had landed.

678
00:50:37,780 --> 00:50:44,420
But they said that the bones looked like they had been laying out in the elements for 20

679
00:50:44,420 --> 00:50:45,420
years.

680
00:50:45,420 --> 00:50:48,100
They were just that white.

681
00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:52,300
Do you know what the time frame was from when they last saw Snippy alive and breathing

682
00:50:52,300 --> 00:50:53,700
to when they found her land?

683
00:50:53,700 --> 00:50:55,900
Yeah, it was two days.

684
00:50:55,900 --> 00:51:01,820
Well, she didn't come in for her feed or her water and that's when they decided they better

685
00:51:01,820 --> 00:51:02,820
go look.

686
00:51:02,820 --> 00:51:05,500
The other horses came in but she didn't.

687
00:51:05,540 --> 00:51:07,860
At that time, how much property did they have?

688
00:51:07,860 --> 00:51:11,300
Gosh, the King Ranch, they were big.

689
00:51:11,300 --> 00:51:14,180
What else was going on around the area in 1960?

690
00:51:14,180 --> 00:51:15,180
Anything weird in the area?

691
00:51:15,180 --> 00:51:18,300
They saw strange lights.

692
00:51:18,300 --> 00:51:20,020
That's what the family reported.

693
00:51:20,020 --> 00:51:21,860
They saw strange lights.

694
00:51:21,860 --> 00:51:26,940
And the lady who owned her, her name was Nellie Lewis.

695
00:51:26,940 --> 00:51:32,500
And she swears to God that she saw spaceships over there.

696
00:51:32,500 --> 00:51:36,700
And after this happened, then she passed away.

697
00:51:36,700 --> 00:51:39,100
I think she committed suicide.

698
00:51:39,100 --> 00:51:45,380
But anyway, it was sad, you know?

699
00:51:45,380 --> 00:51:52,700
It was just sad.

700
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:59,500
The things that are taken are the pituitary gland, thyroid gland, the tongue and part

701
00:51:59,500 --> 00:52:01,500
of the brain.

702
00:52:01,500 --> 00:52:10,500
Sometimes the innards, the organs inside are taken, like the uterus and the ovaries.

703
00:52:10,500 --> 00:52:14,180
It's just strange, just strange.

704
00:52:14,180 --> 00:52:17,300
Cattle are the closest to match genetically to humans.

705
00:52:17,300 --> 00:52:25,380
If you're an AB positive, blood type, you can actually receive a transfusion of Cattle

706
00:52:25,380 --> 00:52:28,700
Hemoglobin and it won't kill you.

707
00:52:28,700 --> 00:52:33,060
Another interesting fact too, when you think about it, is the parts that are taken, generally

708
00:52:33,060 --> 00:52:39,740
the reproductive organs, the tongue, these are areas in the human body that tend to develop

709
00:52:39,740 --> 00:52:40,740
cancer.

710
00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:43,820
There seems to be a correlation there.

711
00:52:43,820 --> 00:52:48,060
And skeptics say, well, you know, insects get into the body of a dead animal, get into

712
00:52:48,060 --> 00:52:50,420
the carcass, they will eat it away.

713
00:52:50,420 --> 00:52:54,380
They'll eat the brains and the soft organs, tissues, things of that nature.

714
00:52:54,380 --> 00:52:58,580
But generally that doesn't happen in such a short space of time that usually takes a

715
00:52:58,580 --> 00:52:59,580
while.

716
00:52:59,580 --> 00:53:06,420
That's the first thing I look for is cut hair follicles because scavengers, birds, insects,

717
00:53:06,420 --> 00:53:09,900
the flesh just tears between the hair follicles.

718
00:53:09,900 --> 00:53:16,740
Over the years I've come to find out that a lot of these popular notions about mutilations,

719
00:53:16,740 --> 00:53:20,460
like they're always drained of blood, animals will never go near them.

720
00:53:20,460 --> 00:53:21,860
It's not necessarily so.

721
00:53:21,860 --> 00:53:24,860
I did not have very many cases that were drained of blood.

722
00:53:24,860 --> 00:53:29,020
I've had a couple cases though where we cut into it and the meat was pale.

723
00:53:29,020 --> 00:53:34,900
The meat wasn't red and it appeared to have been drained down to the capillary level.

724
00:53:34,900 --> 00:53:39,020
When I investigated the ranch in Elbert County, you can't investigate that location and the

725
00:53:39,020 --> 00:53:42,500
things that happened to me when I was a young girl and my sister as well and everybody on

726
00:53:42,500 --> 00:53:46,860
the property without looking at the catalyzed relations because it was almost occurring

727
00:53:46,860 --> 00:53:47,860
daily out there.

728
00:53:47,860 --> 00:53:52,780
I went out and interviewed another witness who, if you visit the Elbert County Museum,

729
00:53:52,780 --> 00:53:55,620
her family kind of pioneered the location.

730
00:53:55,620 --> 00:54:01,940
So they have a long time in this small town and I went to Wyoming.

731
00:54:01,940 --> 00:54:06,900
She lives in Wyoming now and interviewed her and she had a really fascinating encounter

732
00:54:06,900 --> 00:54:13,340
right out of high school and her husband was out on horseback checking the cows for calves.

733
00:54:13,340 --> 00:54:16,380
He came across a calf and the calf was dead.

734
00:54:16,380 --> 00:54:19,860
The calf had four cuts in a perfect square.

735
00:54:19,860 --> 00:54:22,020
So incision, incision, incision, incision.

736
00:54:22,020 --> 00:54:26,660
The top of the fur was removed but the skin was still there but the calf was dead.

737
00:54:26,660 --> 00:54:29,300
And so he gets on the horse, he goes back and gets my witness.

738
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:34,300
They come back and maybe took 20 to 30 minutes to get back in the truck.

739
00:54:34,300 --> 00:54:37,380
By the time they got back, the calf was mutilated.

740
00:54:37,380 --> 00:54:43,140
Perfectly clean incisions, organs removed, blood drained, which coyotes will jump up

741
00:54:43,140 --> 00:54:45,620
on the back and just kind of tear at it.

742
00:54:45,620 --> 00:54:50,260
This was clean cut incision, no tracks, no sounds.

743
00:54:50,260 --> 00:54:54,060
I mean, they're out in the middle of nowhere, miles from a road.

744
00:54:54,060 --> 00:54:59,380
Nobody just came up and pulled off the side of the road and did this.

745
00:54:59,380 --> 00:55:05,060
So the interesting thing about it to me, because this is a memory I have from when I was young,

746
00:55:05,060 --> 00:55:07,660
is they had a sense of being watched.

747
00:55:07,660 --> 00:55:11,100
They felt it was really eerie, they felt it was evil.

748
00:55:11,100 --> 00:55:13,300
And again, no helicopter sounds.

749
00:55:13,300 --> 00:55:17,460
No car marks or truck marks, only the horse.

750
00:55:17,460 --> 00:55:21,860
And so, really fascinating case.

751
00:55:21,860 --> 00:55:26,460
Some of these cases can be written off of course as when the carcass blows, it fills

752
00:55:26,460 --> 00:55:31,940
with gas, the skin will tear along very neat, clean lines.

753
00:55:31,940 --> 00:55:37,660
But when you see a true mutilation, what you're looking at is almost a surgical excision of

754
00:55:37,660 --> 00:55:39,980
parts of the carcass.

755
00:55:39,980 --> 00:55:44,660
As if it's done with a scalpel, an extremely sharp scalpel, or something even finer than

756
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:45,660
that.

757
00:55:45,660 --> 00:55:49,220
This one case I had, probably the spookiest one.

758
00:55:49,220 --> 00:55:54,260
The animal had been found in a pristine, fresh five inch snow, not one drop of blood.

759
00:55:54,260 --> 00:55:56,340
Its right front leg was gone.

760
00:55:56,340 --> 00:56:04,140
And when the rancher found the animal, the heart and the liver had been expertly taken

761
00:56:04,140 --> 00:56:08,020
out and then laid side by side in the body cavity.

762
00:56:08,020 --> 00:56:14,940
The spine was gone from the base of the skull to the hips and had been taken out in an upwards

763
00:56:14,940 --> 00:56:18,740
fashion which was impossible because the skin was there.

764
00:56:18,740 --> 00:56:24,300
There was no brain in the brain case which hadn't been broken into.

765
00:56:24,300 --> 00:56:31,060
It had a subtle smell of some sort of disinfectant.

766
00:56:31,060 --> 00:56:32,460
The thing wouldn't rot.

767
00:56:32,460 --> 00:56:38,100
I went back four days later and the thing was in the exact same condition that I had

768
00:56:38,100 --> 00:56:41,380
seen it in four days before.

769
00:56:41,380 --> 00:56:48,780
That particular case was one of the only cases that was signed off on by Dr. John King who

770
00:56:48,780 --> 00:56:56,940
was the head of the New York State Veterinary College at Cornell.

771
00:56:56,940 --> 00:57:02,260
Tom Miller's ranch is the knot at the end of many strings that form Colorado's rich

772
00:57:02,260 --> 00:57:04,340
eufological history.

773
00:57:04,340 --> 00:57:09,300
A second generation rancher, Tom had been noticing strange cattle deaths on his ranch

774
00:57:09,300 --> 00:57:15,140
for over two decades before he finally started viewing them in a different light.

775
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:19,900
Field dressed and surgically removed organs along with eyes and ears is what caught his

776
00:57:19,900 --> 00:57:21,700
attention.

777
00:57:21,700 --> 00:57:24,940
Since 1999 he's lost even more cattle.

778
00:57:24,940 --> 00:57:30,380
And the activity on his land has become more and more disturbing and bizarre.

779
00:57:30,380 --> 00:57:35,540
The land where Tom's ranch sits has an interesting past that might help to shine a light on

780
00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:38,300
just what is going on here.

781
00:57:38,300 --> 00:57:43,260
At one time these lands were inhabited by the Yut Indians who have their own beliefs and

782
00:57:43,260 --> 00:57:47,420
traditions regarding skinwalkers and strange lights.

783
00:57:47,420 --> 00:57:52,700
The Purgatory River cuts through their property and at one time the Purgatory was referred

784
00:57:52,700 --> 00:57:58,700
to as the River of Lost Souls due to a regiment of Spanish soldiers who went missing after

785
00:57:58,700 --> 00:58:02,220
setting off to follow the river south.

786
00:58:02,220 --> 00:58:08,020
Trinidad, the closest town to the ranch, has its own sordid past, comprised of death and

787
00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:09,020
debauchery.

788
00:58:09,020 --> 00:58:13,300
You know, the usual old west stuff.

789
00:58:13,300 --> 00:58:18,520
But today it's the mutilations that bring us here to the banks of the Purgatory River

790
00:58:18,520 --> 00:58:23,880
in the heart of former native lands where a door we might not want open has been kicked

791
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,920
right off its hinges.

792
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:29,000
So 16 calves or and or calves.

793
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:34,160
To you what is the strangest thing that you've seen out here or aspect of the whole thing?

794
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:40,240
The calves are the some of the way the calves have been left are pretty hideous.

795
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:44,440
I think that little calf that they got it cleared down to the spinal cord was one of

796
00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:45,440
the worst.

797
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:46,880
All the organs missing?

798
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,040
Everything was missing except the spinal cord and it was fine a few hours before.

799
00:58:52,040 --> 00:58:57,080
And then the second one would have been the back strap off of the cow on the last one.

800
00:58:57,080 --> 00:59:01,720
Usually they they leave that but this was a perfect horseshoe shaped piece.

801
00:59:01,720 --> 00:59:02,720
Oh, yeah.

802
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:03,720
Down to the hips.

803
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:04,720
That was pretty much.

804
00:59:04,720 --> 00:59:10,680
A lot of times in the cattle mutilations you read about blood being just magically drained

805
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:13,320
and gone and no trace of it anywhere.

806
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:15,120
Is that the same with some of these?

807
00:59:15,120 --> 00:59:19,280
I don't know if it's magically drained but a cow has what seven and a half gallons of

808
00:59:19,280 --> 00:59:23,040
blood and there's never a drop anywhere.

809
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:24,640
It's gone.

810
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:30,840
There are no blood leakages around the calf or cow.

811
00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:35,640
Whatever is used it's probably intubated and taken out in that manner because there's

812
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:36,640
nothing around.

813
00:59:36,640 --> 00:59:37,640
There's nothing left.

814
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:41,800
In fact the animals won't even go near it for a while.

815
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,240
They will stay away from the carcass completely.

816
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,920
And then over a period of time it just deteriorates on its own.

817
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:48,920
We had one cow.

818
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:50,920
That was pretty strange too.

819
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:56,680
We had one that was near the house and Tom took it across the road.

820
00:59:56,680 --> 01:00:01,600
We went out the next morning to look at it and it had turned into a pile of ash overnight.

821
01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:10,080
Yeah, well that was a calf but it was still, there was nothing, it was just ashes there

822
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:14,040
like it and we never could figure out what happened there.

823
01:00:14,040 --> 01:00:16,040
That was the only time that happened?

824
01:00:16,040 --> 01:00:24,400
So they're different, you know, I mean whatever is or whoever is or whatever is has its own

825
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:26,400
agenda.

826
01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:31,200
Typically they have the same trademark cuts.

827
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:35,960
Probably everybody across the country on the 37th parallel has that.

828
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:38,320
We just had a feel that it had been really different.

829
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:45,200
In the 1970s reports of mysterious unmarked helicopters erupted around the United States.

830
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:50,520
Many of these reports were in conjunction with either UFO reports or that of mutilated

831
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:51,520
livestock.

832
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,640
Theories abound as to what the purpose of the helicopters might be as well as who might

833
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:58,760
actually be piloting them.

834
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:04,520
Here in Colorado it's easy to speculate that their origin might simply be the US military.

835
01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:08,640
After all this is a state with a strong military presence.

836
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:14,120
But the helicopters are so often seen in places of high strangeness that it's easy to wonder

837
01:01:14,120 --> 01:01:18,160
if they aren't tied directly to the UFOs themselves.

838
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:24,480
Even the Miller Ranch has had their own brushes with mysterious aerial phenomena, both man-made

839
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,320
and otherworldly.

840
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:29,200
But I had lots of helicopters.

841
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,360
Lots of helicopter sightings.

842
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,560
As many as seven in one case.

843
01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:37,080
That was back in the 70s.

844
01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:41,320
The Kings still believe that it was UFOs.

845
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,800
Was there a military presence after that happened?

846
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:49,560
You know, anytime there is a cattle mutilation there's always military activity.

847
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:56,800
The ranchers describe seeing black helicopters, jets, everything flying around their ranch.

848
01:01:56,800 --> 01:02:04,520
Especially when they see helicopters around their place, or after a mutilation case.

849
01:02:04,520 --> 01:02:08,480
If they're ex-military then they tend to report it because they think they're being

850
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:10,560
victimized by the government.

851
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:17,080
And so that would be one of the motivating factors to actually report a case.

852
01:02:17,080 --> 01:02:23,800
I had a post-master helicopter maintenance guy in his house with his wife at night and

853
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:26,960
about ready to go to bed.

854
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:29,720
He heard like it sounded like a tornado outside.

855
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:31,480
The trees were whipping around.

856
01:02:31,480 --> 01:02:35,400
And so he went out and looked up and there's huge helicopters there.

857
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:45,560
But it didn't make a single noise except the noise of the prop and the trees swirling around.

858
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:46,560
It was dark color.

859
01:02:46,560 --> 01:02:49,760
You couldn't tell if it was black or dark purple or dark blue.

860
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:51,680
It was all dark, uniform dark.

861
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,280
There was no markings.

862
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:54,280
It was a military helicopter.

863
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:59,400
He said it was a big one like a sea stallion or one of the bigger choppers.

864
01:02:59,400 --> 01:03:06,920
I mean he used to work on helicopters and he knows the sound of their engines and that

865
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:08,800
they have to make a sound, right?

866
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,000
He said this thing was completely silent and so it took off.

867
01:03:13,000 --> 01:03:22,400
It goes out the next morning and three of his animals are mutilated.

868
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:28,480
There's quite a number of cases with weird lights are seen, usually orange.

869
01:03:28,480 --> 01:03:34,400
There are cases that obviously indicate that the animal was taken somewhere and then dropped

870
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:36,160
back.

871
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:41,240
Animals have been found five fence lines away from where they're supposed to be.

872
01:03:41,240 --> 01:03:42,760
Animals have been found.

873
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:48,520
Quite a number have been found with broken legs, horns driven into the ground, snapped

874
01:03:48,520 --> 01:03:57,760
off, all the ribs on the one side broken like the animal had been dropped from a height.

875
01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:03,040
Suppose you never find footprints or tire tracks or anything, any sort of crime scene

876
01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:04,040
evidence.

877
01:04:04,040 --> 01:04:08,640
I had a case where it looked like a crop circle in the grass.

878
01:04:08,640 --> 01:04:14,920
It had swirled down and there was an emulated cow right in the middle and the hair on the

879
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:28,400
tail had been taken out and then spinkled around.

880
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:31,000
You seen any of the craft that may be due to this?

881
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,320
Never seen the craft.

882
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:33,320
We have seen lights.

883
01:04:33,320 --> 01:04:37,240
We have seen the lights but again we don't know where they originate from.

884
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:38,640
They've come out of the river.

885
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:40,640
They have flown over.

886
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:42,140
They've been at the windows.

887
01:04:42,140 --> 01:04:43,560
They've been at the windows.

888
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:45,520
What was Tom's experience?

889
01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:49,680
He had red orbs looking in the windows.

890
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:55,960
Yeah, actually I was sleeping and turned over and there were two, there were about like

891
01:04:55,960 --> 01:05:04,800
that, just real bright red orbs and as soon as I turned over they were gone.

892
01:05:04,800 --> 01:05:16,000
But all the while and right after that I thought, I'm dreaming of course.

893
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:20,560
The bed started vibrating, just shaking like everything.

894
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:26,600
At the same time, you know how you have goosebumps on your arm?

895
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:32,320
Then those goosebumps just went across my body real slow like that and all the while

896
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:36,160
the bed was just shaking like that.

897
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:42,240
So then they stopped as soon as the feeling got all the way across, it stopped.

898
01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:44,440
Next morning he couldn't get up and walk.

899
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:45,440
He couldn't walk?

900
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:47,280
He couldn't walk, had taken the doctors.

901
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:48,280
What did they say?

902
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:50,200
They didn't have an explanation.

903
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,200
He told them what had happened and they're like, mm-hmm.

904
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,440
That's what most everybody says.

905
01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:01,280
It's all about where the orbs will follow vehicles in or out.

906
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:04,400
We have lights that have followed us.

907
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:09,360
We have had other people that have been on their way out to the ranch to do things.

908
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,760
In fact, our insurance agent was called.

909
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:15,120
He called from about a 10 minute drive up the road and he said, I'll be there in 10

910
01:06:15,120 --> 01:06:16,120
minutes.

911
01:06:16,120 --> 01:06:17,120
I said, okay.

912
01:06:17,120 --> 01:06:21,360
An hour and a half passed and he never showed up and I thought, oh God, a car wrecked something.

913
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:23,240
He finally got here and he was all shaking.

914
01:06:23,240 --> 01:06:30,000
He said when he crossed over that bridge lights lifted out and he ended up almost to 165 miles

915
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:31,120
away.

916
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,280
We have hunters down here.

917
01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:38,480
They hunt deer and stuff.

918
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:42,640
They have tree sands down there.

919
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:47,960
These hunters go out there in the middle of the night and sit up in the trees and wait.

920
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:55,160
One of them came the next morning and he showed me a picture on his cell phone.

921
01:06:55,160 --> 01:06:58,600
It looked like a little marble.

922
01:06:58,600 --> 01:07:04,520
He said that thing was just out there in the sky.

923
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:09,080
He said it was there and it was there.

924
01:07:09,080 --> 01:07:10,240
It was there.

925
01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,880
Just moved just that fast.

926
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:18,240
He said I couldn't tell how far out it was.

927
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:22,360
In the cell phone it looked like a little marble, but it could have been a mile away.

928
01:07:22,360 --> 01:07:24,200
It could have been 10 miles away.

929
01:07:24,200 --> 01:07:27,560
You don't know.

930
01:07:27,560 --> 01:07:33,800
He couldn't figure that out, but he watched it for quite a while.

931
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:38,200
You ever see anything, the cliche black helicopters or anything like that?

932
01:07:38,200 --> 01:07:40,480
Yeah, we have those around here.

933
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:47,080
We don't think militaries at all involve because we've got a huge Fort Carson base right here

934
01:07:47,080 --> 01:07:49,280
and they run hundreds of head of cattle.

935
01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:53,520
They're not going to come and take a few of our little cows and create a stir in the

936
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:57,440
community.

937
01:07:57,440 --> 01:08:01,680
As far as the ranch goes, we know there are these menacing helicopters.

938
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:06,520
We know that they were out there investigating and maybe doing some of the mutilations out

939
01:08:06,520 --> 01:08:07,520
there.

940
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:08,520
There's no question about that.

941
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:13,440
My question was always, were they out there causing the phenomenon, trying to scare the

942
01:08:13,440 --> 01:08:15,120
family off the property?

943
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:19,680
Or were they out there investigating the unknown phenomenon that they were aware of that was

944
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:20,680
happening?

945
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:25,240
I am finally, after all these years, coming to the conclusion that it was both.

946
01:08:25,240 --> 01:08:29,640
I really think that they were made aware of that some strange things were happening

947
01:08:29,640 --> 01:08:35,160
and then they were out there trying to investigate as well and maybe do some of their own research.

948
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,520
There's a lot of debate about what the source of this phenomenon is.

949
01:08:39,520 --> 01:08:44,520
Since its inception, people have just jumped to, hey, the UFO phenomenon equals aliens.

950
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,200
The extraterrestrial hypothesis is interesting because when you look at the history of this

951
01:08:48,200 --> 01:08:54,480
phenomenon, the first sightings, the first landings and contacts allegedly between humans

952
01:08:54,480 --> 01:09:01,120
and extraterrestrials, they said that the UFOs were coming from Venus, that they were

953
01:09:01,120 --> 01:09:02,120
coming from Mars.

954
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:05,960
Well, we sent probes to Mars and Venus and rather inconveniently, we found there was

955
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:11,160
nobody or nothing there and the conditions were nothing like the contactees were telling

956
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:12,160
us.

957
01:09:12,160 --> 01:09:14,560
So, the story began to change.

958
01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,720
And lo and behold, at the moment, they come from Alpha Centauri and some of the other

959
01:09:17,720 --> 01:09:19,000
nearest stars.

960
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:23,740
I would bet my bottom dollar that when we get there, probably that's not going to turn

961
01:09:23,740 --> 01:09:25,100
out to be true either.

962
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:27,980
This is a phenomenon that evolves.

963
01:09:27,980 --> 01:09:32,540
But I do think that we as a species have a tendency to want to put our own comfortable

964
01:09:32,540 --> 01:09:35,700
labels on what this phenomenon is.

965
01:09:35,700 --> 01:09:40,820
Rather than traveling these vast interstellar distances, these craft or travelers call them

966
01:09:40,820 --> 01:09:46,020
what you will, may be coming in from another plane of reality from another dimension.

967
01:09:46,020 --> 01:09:49,540
We can say for sure that something is invading our airspace.

968
01:09:49,540 --> 01:09:51,100
We don't know what it is.

969
01:09:51,100 --> 01:09:56,540
We're not able to stop it and it seems to defy our current understanding of physics.

970
01:09:56,540 --> 01:10:01,580
The word consciousness comes in play a lot with some of this stuff.

971
01:10:01,580 --> 01:10:03,980
What are your opinions on that?

972
01:10:03,980 --> 01:10:04,980
Probably.

973
01:10:04,980 --> 01:10:07,740
Probably right.

974
01:10:07,740 --> 01:10:13,300
I think that they are in a different dimension than we are.

975
01:10:13,300 --> 01:10:17,380
And that's why you can see them one minute and then they're gone.

976
01:10:17,380 --> 01:10:21,620
But I think they can pop in and out at will is what I think.

977
01:10:21,620 --> 01:10:25,620
I worked with cattle.

978
01:10:25,620 --> 01:10:31,780
It is not easy to kill a 2,000 pound bull.

979
01:10:31,780 --> 01:10:36,340
It can't be college kids pulling a prank.

980
01:10:36,340 --> 01:10:44,300
To get that thing and to cut it up with such precision and not spill any blood, be able

981
01:10:44,300 --> 01:10:54,020
to leave a pristine crime scene, these are really slick operators that are doing this.

982
01:10:54,020 --> 01:11:00,820
But I think there's multiple groups of humans for various reasons are perpetrating these

983
01:11:00,820 --> 01:11:05,380
cases and they're piggybacking on other cases.

984
01:11:05,380 --> 01:11:09,100
It's almost like there's an action reaction.

985
01:11:09,100 --> 01:11:17,780
It seems like the government is involved on several levels but one level is monitoring

986
01:11:17,780 --> 01:11:23,580
the other groups and that's where the helicopters come in.

987
01:11:23,580 --> 01:11:27,180
There is at the core of the phenomenon about 2%.

988
01:11:27,180 --> 01:11:30,180
I'd say maybe three.

989
01:11:30,180 --> 01:11:35,820
There is a high strange perpetrator that are doing the ones you just can't explain.

990
01:11:35,820 --> 01:11:39,980
But that's one or two cases out of 100.

991
01:11:39,980 --> 01:11:48,700
You'll have that really mind-numbing case that just, even me, as hard-boiled as I am

992
01:11:48,700 --> 01:11:54,980
about it, I've had a couple cases that kept me up at night.

993
01:11:54,980 --> 01:11:59,460
Just like any of the phenomenon, a lot of it you can, even with orbs and things like

994
01:11:59,460 --> 01:12:04,340
that, it's dust, it's bugs, you can explain away some of it but you still are left with

995
01:12:04,340 --> 01:12:09,500
these really high, strange cases that just don't make any sense.

996
01:12:09,500 --> 01:12:13,100
Just enough to keep you going, okay, what is this?

997
01:12:13,100 --> 01:12:18,860
And especially when you're getting into these noises, the disappearing boxes and it's almost

998
01:12:18,860 --> 01:12:26,780
as if that high magnetism open, it either allows us to be able to experience the phenomenon

999
01:12:26,780 --> 01:12:33,260
or it's allowing some sort of open doorway or something where these things are coming

1000
01:12:33,260 --> 01:12:34,260
in and out.

1001
01:12:34,260 --> 01:12:48,220
When I first found it, it was real smooth, just all the way around, clear up to there.

1002
01:12:48,220 --> 01:12:53,940
And it looked kind of like those other cuts and it was just...

1003
01:12:53,940 --> 01:12:59,140
When we started on this journey, Colorado seemed to be something far different to me.

1004
01:12:59,140 --> 01:13:05,220
A beautiful, rugged, wild land that in some places still offered a glimpse into our not

1005
01:13:05,220 --> 01:13:07,180
so distant past.

1006
01:13:07,180 --> 01:13:13,020
The reality is though, I found a place where UFO sightings are abundant and seemingly take

1007
01:13:13,020 --> 01:13:17,620
on a more sinister undercurrent due to the cattle mutilation phenomena.

1008
01:13:17,620 --> 01:13:23,100
It's a place where encounters are had with strange lights, craft, bizarre boxes, voices

1009
01:13:23,100 --> 01:13:27,900
from beyond and probably countless things we've yet to even hear about.

1010
01:13:27,900 --> 01:13:33,820
Sometimes, this array of paranormal entities intersect in strange ways, ways that begin

1011
01:13:33,820 --> 01:13:40,060
to push the boundaries of thinking of the UFOs as simply visitors from outer space.

1012
01:13:40,060 --> 01:13:45,940
But if not that, then what are they and why are they present in the places they're found?

1013
01:13:45,940 --> 01:13:52,700
I mean, would you have any theories on why they're coming and doing this to your cattle?

1014
01:13:53,260 --> 01:13:57,540
We've heard from other people like because some of the other investigators that have

1015
01:13:57,540 --> 01:14:01,860
been out there, apparently there is only one chromasonic difference just like between pigs

1016
01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:05,500
and humans and cows and humans.

1017
01:14:05,500 --> 01:14:12,340
Some say, well, they're using that DNA to create a superior race or to help a race or

1018
01:14:12,340 --> 01:14:18,140
a planetary people survive if their planets have been destroyed, et cetera.

1019
01:14:18,140 --> 01:14:21,220
I mean, they're all kinds of speculative reasons why.

1020
01:14:21,220 --> 01:14:25,380
They do know that the DNA is very closely related to human DNA.

1021
01:14:25,380 --> 01:14:29,740
We've had every researcher around has been here.

1022
01:14:29,740 --> 01:14:34,380
We've had the doctor that is the head of the veterinary school at Fort Collins, CU.

1023
01:14:34,380 --> 01:14:37,340
He's been here, he's analyzed everything.

1024
01:14:37,340 --> 01:14:41,340
So he would go up to each carcass as he came over and there would be radiation.

1025
01:14:41,340 --> 01:14:42,860
They would bring quick-mush with him.

1026
01:14:42,860 --> 01:14:44,500
They would bring Geiger counters.

1027
01:14:44,500 --> 01:14:46,700
They would bring different kind of computers monitoring.

1028
01:14:46,700 --> 01:14:49,860
Do they, I mean, what did they find in the soil?

1029
01:14:49,860 --> 01:14:50,860
Anything they could identify?

1030
01:14:50,860 --> 01:14:53,460
There was some kind of a meteoric.

1031
01:14:53,460 --> 01:14:57,300
It was radioactive number one, but then there were some minerals that generally come off

1032
01:14:57,300 --> 01:14:59,540
of meteorites that was within the soil.

1033
01:14:59,540 --> 01:15:01,260
Yeah, that's what he said.

1034
01:15:01,260 --> 01:15:07,260
It was when a meteorite falls, there's a certain amount of radiation from it and these cows

1035
01:15:07,260 --> 01:15:12,860
have the same type of radiation or something like that.

1036
01:15:12,860 --> 01:15:15,540
Yeah, I don't remember what he said was in the soil.

1037
01:15:15,540 --> 01:15:20,140
That's been quite a while back.

1038
01:15:20,140 --> 01:15:27,820
We've tell us that the electromagnetic field across the world is like .09.

1039
01:15:27,820 --> 01:15:31,860
So as they were going around checking for all kinds of weirdness in the ground, when

1040
01:15:31,860 --> 01:15:34,980
they got close to the house, there was no reading whatsoever.

1041
01:15:34,980 --> 01:15:38,500
He said there are only two places in the world where they have found that.

1042
01:15:38,500 --> 01:15:43,980
One is on the ranch and one is on the skin walker ranch over in Utah.

1043
01:15:43,980 --> 01:15:46,220
So that was pretty weird.

1044
01:15:46,220 --> 01:15:54,860
So besides an ET hypothesis or craft coming down, what other explanations have you guys

1045
01:15:54,860 --> 01:15:57,740
even entertained with this stuff?

1046
01:15:57,740 --> 01:16:02,580
I don't think there are anything else that we can entertain if it's a predator, a predator

1047
01:16:02,580 --> 01:16:05,500
tears and shreds.

1048
01:16:05,500 --> 01:16:07,180
So there are none of those.

1049
01:16:07,180 --> 01:16:11,940
These have been verified cauterized laser cuts.

1050
01:16:37,180 --> 01:16:46,100
Whenever we do one of these shoots, I think we want to come back with some sort of answers

1051
01:16:46,100 --> 01:16:52,340
and this is a very complex question that has been asked by numerous investigators and researchers

1052
01:16:52,340 --> 01:16:58,100
probably far beyond our skill set and most of them come back with nothing.

1053
01:16:58,100 --> 01:17:03,780
What I am curious about is while we've been on this location, while we've been filming,

1054
01:17:03,780 --> 01:17:08,900
we've been looking into some of the correlations between all these various high strangeness locations.

1055
01:17:08,900 --> 01:17:13,260
So this isn't just about UFOs and cattle mutilations, it's also about the locations where those

1056
01:17:13,260 --> 01:17:14,580
things are taking place.

1057
01:17:14,580 --> 01:17:17,460
Did you come up with anything that connects the dots?

1058
01:17:17,460 --> 01:17:22,420
The interesting thing is that not only do we have the whole, you've heard of the 37th

1059
01:17:22,420 --> 01:17:24,940
parallel where things are supposed to be kind of weird.

1060
01:17:24,940 --> 01:17:26,180
We have that.

1061
01:17:26,180 --> 01:17:32,380
So between 37 and 40th parallels, you have Trinidad, Colorado, you have Albert County,

1062
01:17:32,380 --> 01:17:37,020
Colorado and then Skinwalker Ranch which is at the 40th parallel.

1063
01:17:37,020 --> 01:17:38,260
So there's that.

1064
01:17:38,260 --> 01:17:44,580
And then also I found out that the EMF readings for these locations are extremely high.

1065
01:17:44,580 --> 01:17:46,820
They're all in the red.

1066
01:17:46,820 --> 01:17:50,060
Something very interesting that we just found out though and I'm happy that we're finding

1067
01:17:50,060 --> 01:17:55,820
this out before we leave is that at Tom and Sally's ranch, the EMF readings while high

1068
01:17:55,820 --> 01:18:02,060
on the map, right around the house are reading zero, flat zero nothing.

1069
01:18:02,060 --> 01:18:06,620
Do the EMF readings correlate to exactly what we're looking at here with the mutilations

1070
01:18:06,620 --> 01:18:07,620
and the sightings?

1071
01:18:07,620 --> 01:18:10,620
Don't know, but it's at least very interesting.

1072
01:18:10,620 --> 01:18:15,060
What is the ultimate takeaway you have from the investigation?

1073
01:18:15,060 --> 01:18:17,420
A lot more really needs to be done.

1074
01:18:17,420 --> 01:18:22,900
I mean even if you just take this one particular part of the state, you could investigate every

1075
01:18:22,900 --> 01:18:28,460
single day and probably come up with 16 different theories as to why this is going on.

1076
01:18:28,460 --> 01:18:31,040
And really are we ever going to find the answers?

1077
01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:37,360
Probably not, but even just this EMF aspect of it is at least something to start on.